View from the Bed: How to Cope with PD Cycler Pain

This blog post was made by Dori Schatell, MS, Executive Director, Medical Education Institute on April 30, 2020.
View from the Bed: How to Cope with PD Cycler Pain

A few months ago, I wrote a post about improving PD retention. Having seen many Facebook threads over the years across various groups, this time, I thought it would be useful to do a deeper dive into the issues of pain related to use of PD cyclers, to help clinicians understand how this pain affects patients and gather the tips PD users found helpful.


By far the most commonly-reported (and perhaps severe) PD cycler pain occurred during drains, particularly the first and last drain:

  • I laid on the bed just sobbing in pain. It’s hard to explain how bad it hurts at times.”

  • A hot knife being inserted into my lower parts.”

  • I woke up in tears 3 times last night. I am over being woken up every hour and a half. It freaking HURTS!”

  • It felt like the machine was sucking my guts out.”

  • It’s exactly like period pain initially. Then it feels like a tiny, powerful little bird pecking at my insides.”

  • Drain pain is one of the worst pains I’ve had! I’m almost 2 years in and set an alarm to wake me up a few minutes before every drain, because it sucks literally to be asleep and all of a sudden—WHAM—wake up thinking I’m being stabbed, and realize it’s just the drain cycle. I wanted to fight my machine.”

  • It’s like that miniaturized submarine [Fantastic Voyage] trying to get out.”

  • That’s why I’m on hemo now.”

Some patients reported wishing they’d been told that pain could occur, so it wouldn’t have caught them by surprise—and so they could make a more informed modality choice.

  • I was looking into PD and asked the nurse and ___ rep if there was any pain associated with it. Can you believe they both said “No”?! Liars!!! I expect the truth from my healthcare providers.”

  • Overall, I’m glad I went this route. I just wish it hadn’t been presented as ‘an easy, painless option.’”

A number of strategies were proposed to deal with drain pain, and I’ll list these from the least to most invasive.

Wait and See

One clinician noted that, “The cath is simply grabbing on to the tissue once all fluid is drained. Men also have a nerve ending in the bottom of their peritoneum that makes this so much worse for the first few months. I’ve seen grown men sit and cry it hurt so bad, but it does improve and a lot of times go away—usually by 4 months, but can take up to 6.” Personally, I’m not one to tolerate severe pain for 4-6 months—and this attitude may explain why people stop using a cycler for PD. (I also question whether men have different nerves than women.)

One patient’s wife also contributed, “He did have drain pain for the first month, but his body got used to it.” Since he wasn’t the one responding, I have to wonder.

Adjust Cycler Height

A relatively easy fix is to raise or lower the height of the cycler relative to the bed to find the “sweet spot”:

  • Keep the machine even with your bed. Mine was way too high for the first week or two, and then we lowered it.”

  • My fiancé had to raise his cycler somewhat higher than the bed. Now it’s mainly just the last drain where he has pain.”

Avoid Constipation

Patients noted that, “You can poop every day and still be backed up.” “Make sure your bowels are working well, and that will help the PD drain pain.” Home Dialysis Central has a Life@Home article about Constipation with a step-by-step approach and great tips.

Change Position

Some reported that a sort of “dance,” or shimmy, or changes to sleeping position helped to reduce—or even eliminate—drain pain.

  • I just had to lay on my left side, and it drains just fine.”

  • Lean to the left. Lean to the right. Stand up, sit down, drain, drain, drain!”

  • My doctor told me to change the direction of the extendsion, and it worked like a charm. Now, I tape the catheter down while sleeping.”

  • I massage my belly.”

  • I would pretend I was doing the hula hoop on my last drain. Dancing and gyrating my hips made a difference.”

  • I find sitting up helps.”

  • I would bend my knees toward my chest—think period cramps—with a heating pad on my back. Sometimes I slept with my legs elevated on pillows.”

  • Get on your hands and knees and sway from side to side and back and forth.”

  • My husband sleeps with a body pillow. He hugs it between his legs when the drain starts. He told me it helps a lot.”

  • I lived with a heating pad under me every night. I always had it on low, and when the pain would increase, I would turn it up, and my husband would gather pillows for under my feet.” (NOTE: Heating pads can cause burns.)

  • I started sleeping on the couch. Being a little angled/wedged in made all the difference in the world.”

Ask for a Prescription Adjustment

Various tweaks—from Tidal settings to slowing the drain by occluding the tubing—made a difference for some:

  • Tell your nurse. It takes a while before your prescription is perfected.”

  • Your doctor can set the machine so it will leave a small amount in (Tidal), so it’s not pulling you completely dry.”

  • Talk to your doctor about the pH level of your fluid.”

  • If the pain is unbearable and it has taken too much fluid off, you can bypass the last drain when you get the big tugging.”

  • Talk to your nurse about it. Sometimes if you close the white clip for a minute, move around, then open the clip again, it will feel better.”

  • I pinch my line for a second and it will ease up, and just repeat a few times.”

  • I pinch to stop and start the flow. Do it fairly fast. It helps make the tip of the catheter jerk a bit and kicks it away from what it’s pulling on.”

Adjust the Catheter

The most invasive approach to addressing drain pain—short of a switch from a cycler to manual exchanges—is to move the catheter.

  • One thing you can ask them to do is an ultrasound while you fill and drain. Sometimes this way they can see a problem that only appears during your treatment.”

  • It could be the catheter is up against the peritoneum. I had to get mine adjusted a time or two.”

  • They can reposition a catheter using a guidewire (rather than a surgery). It’s best to do this ASAP before it settles into position.”

  • I had to have two surgeries to get it right.”


Fill pain is discussed less often than drain pain—but is no less aversive:

  • I feel like I am going to explode when filling.”

  • Mine was so bad I had tears running down my face every time I filled. I called my bedroom the ‘torture chamber.’”

  • I feel like I am going to burst for a few minutes on the first fill, then it all finds a spot to disburse around my cyst-riddled very large kidneys. Next four fills, no problem.”

  • I had the worst pain while filling. It’s not similar to drain pain at all. Feels more like I got punched in the crotch.”

Various remedies were tried. A change of pH (by injecting a buffer into the PD bags) was not mentioned, but is also reported to help, though is a short-term solution due to the increased risk of possible contamination.

  • When I had pain during fill, it helped to recline or lay down. Also, I would stop for a minute and restart, and that helped.

  • Temporarily, I’ve closed the valve to have a break from the pain. I’ve also tried several positions. Didn’t work. There are times that I wake up from it.”

  • I was told that it’s just part of PD. Nothing they can do. I try to not to eat too much at night. That seems to help.”

  • If my fluid is not the exact temperature that I like, it makes my fills cramp bad!


The shoulder pain that can occur when air is insufficiently flushed out of the PD lines is legendary among PD users:

  • It is the most Godawful pain. It’s impossible to do anything productive.”

  • The worst shoulder pain I have ever felt. I cried all night in pain.”

  • OMG, it’s killing me so bad. I have to drain and stop treatment.”

  • I can hardly get out of bed because of the shoulder pain. We are talking 10 out of 10 pain. Went for a little walk today and I cried from pain the whole time.”

Fortunately, many have found solutions that made a difference.

  • I lie down with my hips up on pillows, so my exit site is higher than my shoulders. The air bubbles migrate up toward my exit site in the first few minutes of drain. Once the bubbles are gone, I can lower my hips down.”

  • I lay down completely flat and raise my feet in the air. It works fairly quickly, but I stay lying down for 30-45 minutes to be sure it’s gone.”

  • I made big arm circles (like a windmill) and I swear it helped, and that I could hear little escapes of air.”

  • My son would vigorously rub my shoulder and I would rotate it. That seemed to work it out a lot quicker.”

  • I bought a hand-held heat massager and used it this morning. It took the pain away, and I didn’t have to wake my husband up crying because I was hurting.”

  • I was miserable for a week! I put a warm towel on my shoulder, and that helped a bit. I know check the machine and prime 2-3 times.”

  • Clamp off any unused lines really well, so faulty or loose connections don’t let air in.”

  • I bleed the air out of my bags by standing them up, and then the air gets sucked out during priming.”

  • Without a day dwell, the cycler can flush back on the first drain and any air pockets in the line can back-flush.”

  • I had this really bad. I would prime the lines twice, and nothing helped. Finally, I talked with my nurse, and since my clearance was great, we changed my first fill to a lower amount—just 10 mL. This was a game-changer for me!!! We started this a week ago and I have not had any right side shoulder pain since!”

  • Downward dog helps. I do it during a drain.


Drain pain, fill pain, and shoulder pain from air in the lines are very real day-to-day issues for some who use PD cyclers. I encourage PD staff to ASK patients if they have pain, and offer real solutions as one way to help improve PD retention.


  • Ms.Dale

    Dec 01, 2021 2:04 AM

    I just found this site and TG! I drain 3x a night and every time, I have severe pain. I've been on PD for about a month, doing Tidal as suggested, but to avail.

    At least I'm not alone. My PD nurse was not focusing on my comfort.
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    • Dori Schatell

      Dec 01, 2021 2:06 PM

      I am so sorry that you are going through this, Ms. Dale, and that your nurse was not taking your pain seriously. Hopefully some of the ideas in here will help you.
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  • Kellie

    Apr 30, 2021 3:07 AM

    My Machine is very loud i cannot sleep at all until my Cycles have finished which is 4.30am.
    Has anyone else have this problem?
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    • Dori Schatell

      Apr 30, 2021 3:10 AM

      Kellie, your machine should not be THAT loud--it sounds as if you need a replacement (or earplugs!). Sleep is important. Call your PD nurse. If you are on Facebook, you may also want to join our Home Dialysis Central discussion group:
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  • Dori Schatell

    Oct 29, 2020 6:07 PM

    I hope your clinic can help you. If you are on Facebook, we have a closed group for Home Dialysis Central, and lots of our members are on PD.
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  • PG

    Oct 29, 2020 4:10 AM

    It’s nice to know I’m not alone in this. I’ve started to not want to fall asleep at night anticipating the pain that was about to come. It’s only been two months since I’ve started PD and I already want to quit because I don’t want to deal with the pain every night.
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    • Dori Schatell

      Oct 29, 2020 1:37 PM

      You are most definitely not alone! I hope some of the tips in here will help you--and do talk to your PD training nurse about tidal or other ideas s/he has to help you. Some folks do switch to manuals and prefer them for this reason.
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      • PG

        Oct 29, 2020 5:11 PM

        I go back to do my clinic on Sunday and I’m there a week for further testing. Hopefully they can figure something out. In the meantime I will try some of these methods from here. Thank you for replying, I don’t have anyone to talk to that fully understands.
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  • Adella Thorne

    Oct 15, 2020 9:28 PM

    Very helpful having trouble with the final drain will try some of the ideas also had a couple of low drain alarms
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  • John Agar

    Apr 30, 2020 10:31 PM

    An excellent and very helpful blog, Dori. We use a lot of tidal Pd to manage this problem if/when it occurs. It seems to solve the problem for most.
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  • Gale Schulke

    Apr 30, 2020 10:03 PM

    Nobody should have to endure that kind of pain. How do you sleep when you anticipating having pain every time you drain. Honesty is always the best policy and we should always tell patients that drain pain is a possible complication and to let us know immediately so we can try to fix it.
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